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Ranger_Captain
Pissin' people off one post at a time
Registered: July 2005
Location: West Point, New York
Posts: 1,229
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Review Date: 16/4/09
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: £84.00
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Positive aspects of the product (pros):
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Heavy Weight, Very Accurate, Identical Operation to real steel, All Steel frame, High quality plastic grips, High Magazine capacity, Even gas consumption
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Cons:
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Gas Hog, Plastic Outer Barrel, No trademarks! GRRRRR!, High FPS limits CQB use
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KWA M92FS PTP
Introduction
Airsoft guns as training weapons are a very often cited but less often confirmed action. Be that may, we often place high demands on the replication ability of our guns and out of all types, gas guns have a tendency to come the closest. Well KWA has made an effort to make a perfect replica of the US Military’s standard issue sidearm, the Pietro Beretta M92FS 9mm Semi Automatic handgun.
Calling it the PTP or professional training pistol, it’s designed to replicate, operationally, the exact same way as the real sidearm as well as provide a strong, reliable airsoft gun that can adequately and efficiently engage targets.
Real Steel History
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*Taken from Modern Firearms a.k.a. world.guns.ru
“Beretta 92 pistols are short-recoil operated, locked-breech weapons with an aluminum frame. The locking system is of the Walther type, with a vertically-tilting locking piece located below the breech area of the barrel. The trigger is double-action, with an exposed hammer. Original Model 92 pistols had a frame-mounted safety which was applied only when hammer was cocked; all subsequent pistols (except for some limited production civilian-only sporting models) either had a slide-mounted safety lever or no safety lever at all. On some pistols, such as the Model 92G adopted in France, the levers do not lock themselves in the lowered position but return to the “fire” position once released – their function is limited only to safe decocking of the hammer. Some other models, such as the Model 92D, are double-action-only pistols with no manual safety or decocker. All pistols of current production are fitted with an automatic firing pin block safety. Magazines are double stack, with the magazine release button located in the base of the trigger-guard on all 92-series pistols made since 1981. Sights on service models are of fixed type, with a dovetailed rear blade, usually with high-contrast inserts.
With the introduction of the Model 92FS in the late 1980s, another unusual safety feature was fitted in the form of an enlarged head to the hammer pin. The purpose of this safety is to prevent the rear of the slide from flying back into the firer’s face in the case of the slide failure. This happened several times during the earlier years of Model 92F service in US military, apparently because of metallurgical problems, combined with the “built-in” weak points in the slide where the locking block cuts are made. Recognizing these weak points, the US INS (Immigration and Naturalization Service) requested Beretta to make their model 96 (.40 S&W caliber version of Model 92) with reinforced slides. This resulted in appearance of the Model 96 Brigadier pistols, and, later on, the same modification was applied to 9mm pistols, available as Model 92 Brigadier. Beretta also produced a number of compact versions of their basic, full-size Model 92 variations. These compact versions had shortened grips, slides and barrels; Compact Type M versions also featured single-stack magazines with appropriately thinned grips. At the present time, Beretta no longer makes Compact versions of the Model 92; in the firm's product line these were replaced by the entirely different Model 8000 Cougar pistols.”
First Impressions
Well first impressions for me with this gun was somewhat different. I bought this replica at the Ai:500 Operation Blackjack in Starke Florida at Camp Blanding as I had sold my backup AEG (Sportline CAM15A4) and my primary, a M15A4 RIS Carbine, just wasn’t cutting it for indoor combat (had issues on stairs) so halfway through the first day’s match I ran off and quickly bought this replica. I had seen it advertised here on Arnies and it sounded good so I figured why not.
I didn’t get much time to look it over at the time but I can tell you, since my first impression was actually using it, this is both a top notch airsoft gun and M92FS replica.
Appearance
Well post-match I got a chance to really look this over. All I can say is wow. Very nice lol. Having played around with issue Beretta’s I can say this thing is almost 100% indistinguishable from the real steel… baring one thing: TRADES! God trades are the bane of my existence and once again they demystify a gun for me by not being present.
Baring that unfortunate issue however the gun itself looks spot on. Many people complain about this but the PTP has the same shinny look on the slide that the real gun has.
The only other issue is that the outer barrel, for some reason, is made of plastic. I don’t know why as this was a very odd decision on the part of KWA given that the rest of the gun is full steel or high impact plastic but for whatever reason they choose plastic for the outer barrel and it’s clearly plastic, noticed by its off color matt gray “sheen.”
Look Grade: 9/10
I desperately WANT to give this a 10/10 but since it lacks trademarks from Beretta and poor coloring on the outer barrel I have to bump it down a point.
Feel/Aesthetic
Feels good lol. As I’ve said in my other reviews, and it holds true here, I’ve used the real version of the M92FS and this feels almost identical. Weight wise it’s nearly identical and it’s balanced more or less the same, very grip heavy (the realsteel is almost perfectly balanced until you load the magazine).
The texturing on the grips allows for a nice solid grip and if your pistol grip is the same as mine (European style with support hand pointer finger extended around the trigger guard) the rough textured steel on the outside of the trigger guard is a nice detail that allows users with this type of grip to stay secure.
Operationally this gun is a true PTP. It operates exactly the same as the real steel. You can even do a functions check and hear a “click” when you release the trigger (not all GBB will do this). Similarly the safety, when engaged, rotates the “hammer” up and out of position. The safety level also doubles as a decocking lever.
Disassembly is identical to the real steel as well; press the button on the right side of the lower frame and rotate the slide release to allow the slide to move freely. Broken down into it’s parts the PTP looks very similar to the parts of the real steel as well and those familiar with the M92FS will feel right at home with this replica.
There a hopup on this gun and it requires the included key to adjust but personally I rarely use hopup on GBB due to the inconsistency in shots, although this gun is an exception to that rule (I’ll get to that later).
Feel Grade: 10/10 Feels the same as the real one
Aesthetics: 10/10 If you can disassemble and operate the real steel you’ll have no issues here, and vice versa.
Shooting
Of all the GBB M92FS’s I’ve used, I think this shoots the best as well. Another life ago I had owned both a TM M92FS and a KSC M9 and of three this one is both more consistent in fire and stronger.
Taking HFC-22 stock (always a plus in a GBB) the double stack magazine actually can hold quite a bit of gas. Since I purchased this and used it right away at Operation Blackjack which, if anyone reading this was there, knows was an ABSOLUTE heat fest. We had lots of heat cats so I got to use the gas gun in an environment that truly was all of its own.
The magazine holds, in my experience, more gas than most other airsoft guns I’ve used and the gas seals appear to be quite a bit beefier but more on the shooting. However, despite this, the gun is a total gas hog. A full charge lasts about a mag and a half (45-50 rounds) and you can see a bit off a “poof” of gas exiting the chamber after each cycle but despite that it has a fairly even gas consumption and goes pretty consistently until it’s sharp death when the magazine is dry.
Gassed up and loaded this things got quite a kick on it. Not quite as much as a real M9 but it feels right. What’s really great about this gun when it comes to shooting is how damn accurate it is. With about average “range” for a GBB that takes HFC-22, this thing is dead accurate and extremely consistent with each shot. Baring the last two shots, every round flies more or less the same on the same path.
Range I would say is about 75 foot head shot, 90 foot torso, 100 lucky hit, and as far as power goes this thing clocks in at 360 FPS, pretty damn good for a stock gas gun.
Due to its fairly heavy weight this gun is a pretty easy shoot as well, as the weight of the gun itself keeps itself on target even during rapid fire. One thing that should be noted is that in double action mode the PTP has quite a heavy trigger pull, enough so that an even half rushed shot might be jerked way off target. With the hammer back the pull isn’t nearly as bad but you might wana wear down the pull a little bit before you use it if you’re a perfectionist with your replicas.
As far as usability goes I would put this replica towards an end of the spectrum. Because of its fairly high FPS it makes it limited in use in CQB fights but its high accuracy rating allows it to be used as a true outdoor sidearm. I would definitely suggest this as a sidearm for snipers and support gunners as it will give you the range of a decent backup and none of the bulk of lugging around a backup AEG such as an M4, MP5, or P90. With a chest MOLLE SERPA holster this really makes the perfect sidearm as granted, you be sniping targets 150 feet away with it, when you see that sneaky fella to your right and you’re in the middle of a mag change, if you point it, your bb will hit your target.
Ironically though I bought this to be used as a CQB gun and I found myself using it more for house to house shooting than for entering and clearing. During the Ai:500 I found this to be a true asset though and I easily put a few hundred rounds through it in the two days I used it.
Shooting Grade
Accuracy Grade: 9/10
Range Grade: 7/10
Power Grade: 8/10
Use Grade: 8/10
Conclusion
Pros:
Heavy Weight
Very Accurate
Identical Operation to real steel
All Steel frame
High quality plastic grips
High Magazine capacity
Even gas consumption
Cons:
Gas Hog
Plastic Outer Barrel
No trademarks! GRRRRR!
High FPS limits CQB use
Thus overall I would rate this as about an 8 out of 10. Because of its highly realistic build, high accuracy rating, and great little aesthetic features. Really it’s the lack of trademarks and that silly plastic outer barrel that stop this from being a true “perfect” M92FS recreation.
So, as I said, for those needing a “standard issue” sidearm but want something that won’t be a total piece of dead weight in outdoor/woodland combat, the KWA PTP will serve you well with its high power and over the top accuracy.
Credits:
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg07-e.htm
http://www.kwausa.com/
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Cadet, United States Army
2012 "For More Than Ourselves"
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Registered: July 2005
Location: West Point, New York