crackisbad Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I just saw this and thought I'd let people know since I know there is a bit of excitement over those "Russian Mesh Masks" but some people are turned off by the whole wire mesh deal. Well, Bitter End is now making the half masks in stamped steel!: Check out this link for more info: Clicky! Link to post Share on other sites
CharlieQB Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Please remove this thread so I can look cool for five minutes on the field before everybody gets these! Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 I seen these but i did exactly what they did to my neroprene mask so has sonic i think greg has too i got a king arms one and then cut it out and used mesh to make the above effect (except mine has vampire teeth) Only problem with bitter end is that there is no longer an e bay shop and you need to e mail him to buy, i wish they had a website that allows you to order direct *edited for spelling I have the bull dogs and the ground zeros, best ever airsoft goggle Link to post Share on other sites
GnGArmament Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Definitely look worth it. Once they hit reliable US retailers I will pick up one Link to post Share on other sites
heroshark Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 doesn't look as good as the russian offering .As I said before stamped steel does not owe to being pressed into tight contours. Although it'll be alot cheaper for US customers than importing the russian ones. Link to post Share on other sites
crackisbad Posted January 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Although it is not as contoured as the mesh ones, this has the added benefit of not being wire mesh. Definitely look worth it. Once they hit reliable US retailers I will pick up one They wont. I know him personally; he squirmishes with my local group, and he is a very reliable guy. You can search this forum as well, there are tons of users that have purchased googles/glasses from him. Link to post Share on other sites
GaMeFrEAK1018 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Although it is not as contoured as the mesh ones, this has the added benefit of not being wire mesh. They wont. I know him personally; he squirmishes with my local group, and he is a very reliable guy. You can search this forum as well, there are tons of users that have purchased googles/glasses from him. I purchased a set and they turned out to not fit. I emailed Bitter End about it and he said "No problem. Send them back and pick out another pair". My second pair came (The Bulldogg I think?) and I LOVE those things. They're a very reliable and honest seller. Link to post Share on other sites
heroshark Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Although it is not as contoured as the mesh ones, this has the added benefit of not being wire mesh. I don't realy see the added benefit of not being wire mesh when its only there to cover the mouth tbh, but like I said its good for US players wanting practical face protection. Link to post Share on other sites
Reppyboyo Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Tempting. Link to post Share on other sites
DFM56 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Tempting indeed. Not sure if I want this or the "bat" russian mask, since I'm terrified of getting a BB straight down the ear. I wonder how harsh these and the russian masks are on wood stocks? I would imagine that eventually it'll be like sandpaper and destroy the finish. Link to post Share on other sites
SpecialistR Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 I don't realy see the added benefit of not being wire mesh when its only there to cover the mouth tbh, but like I said its good for US players wanting practical face protection. You may be thinking about its ability to stop things from getting through the mesh but its more about durability. Wire mesh deforms easier, deforming = stress. You've seen what happens when you bend wire too much right? It stresses and snaps or shears off. Wire mesh is...well made of wire. Of course the chance of taking more than one hit in the exact same place more than once in a day,or even week or month is minimal but it could become an issue with long term use. Moreso with regular heavy skirmishing. These look quite good and seem to be the kind of face protection I've been waiting for. Will definately pick out a pair or two for myself as soon as the funds are available. Have made too many purchases this month as it is. Link to post Share on other sites
Devlin1977 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Could someone point me in the direction of the "Russian mesh half mask" please as I must have missed that and a search is proving fruitless. Link to post Share on other sites
heroshark Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Could someone point me in the direction of the "Russian mesh half mask" please as I must have missed that and a search is proving fruitless. search for brass guard You may be thinking about its ability to stop things from getting through the mesh but its more about durability. Wire mesh deforms easier, deforming = stress. You've seen what happens when you bend wire too much right? It stresses and snaps or shears off. Wire mesh is...well made of wire. Of course the chance of taking more than one hit in the exact same place more than once in a day,or even week or month is minimal but it could become an issue with long term use. Moreso with regular heavy skirmishing. I don't doubt it being more durable .But even with regular use I would say the woven mesh would be more than adiquate . I just find the other more aesthetically pleasing. when both will average around £40 inc P+P to the uk .If I only had the option of those 2 ,I would go for the russian mask. Fortunatly my options a wide ,and varied . Link to post Share on other sites
Apex Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Could someone point me in the direction of the "Russian mesh half mask" please as I must have missed that and a search is proving fruitless. This took all of two secs to find in the main forum...... Link to post Share on other sites
Furey Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Wire mesh deforms easier, deforming = stress. You've seen what happens when you bend wire too much right? It stresses and snaps or shears off. Wire mesh is...well made of wire. Of course the chance of taking more than one hit in the exact same place more than once in a day,or even week or month is minimal but it could become an issue with long term use. Moreso with regular heavy skirmishing. Um, do mesh goggles eventualy go soft and let bb's through if you shoot them enough? No they dont. Link to post Share on other sites
heroshark Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Um, do mesh goggles eventualy go soft and let bb's through if you shoot them enough? No they dont. Yes they do. Bitterends mesh takes approx 20 ,0.2 rounds ,350fps ,at a range of 10cm/4", in the exact same spot. As does mine ,I've tested it .Your average sensei takes around 5 with the same test .ACM masks vary 2-5. The woven stuff I would imagine would take around 5 also, at a guess. The likelyhood that you would take Multipul hits like that though is highly unlikely though. Also it helps to tap any serious dents out, to reduce this chance even further. Link to post Share on other sites
SpecialistR Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Um, do mesh goggles eventualy go soft and let bb's through if you shoot them enough? No they dont. Yes they do. Bitterends mesh takes approx 20 ,0.2 rounds ,350fps ,at a range of 10cm/4", in the exact same spot. As does mine ,I've tested it .Your average sensei takes around 5 with the same test .ACM masks vary 2-5. The woven stuff I would imagine would take around 5 also, at a guess. The likelyhood that you would take Multipul hits like that though is highly unlikely though. Also it helps to tap any serious dents out, to reduce this chance even further. Thankyou. Link to post Share on other sites
amateurstuntman Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 My friend thought it would be OK to use the face guard he uses for chainsawing (mesh) the first bb smashed right through it. I recently bought a set of lenses for my SG-1s from bitter and I would use them to protect my own *badger*s never mind my dog's *badger*s, which is what they are. Link to post Share on other sites
Furey Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 thanks for contributing to the discussion specialistr. I cant see any danger of that happening in game and I still consider mesh to be inpenetrable in airsoft games. Obviosly heroshark you feel the same way or you wouldnt risk litigation by selling them. When other people use this type of talk without quantifying their statements, they are in danger of putting inexperienced players off of mesh masks, when newbies should all buy a cheap, safe and effective sansei mesh as their first mask imo. Link to post Share on other sites
Dsquall Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 thanks for contributing to the discussion specialistr. I cant see any danger of that happening in game and I still consider mesh to be inpenetrable in airsoft games. Obviosly heroshark you feel the same way or you wouldnt risk litigation by selling them. When other people use this type of talk without quantifying their statements, they are in danger of putting inexperienced players off of mesh masks, when newbies should all buy a cheap, safe and effective sansei mesh as their first mask imo. Good theory but I disagree, especially with the ACM guns coming out shooting 450 FPS the chances are greater of having an incident with woven masks, however stamped steel wouldn't likely have the same issue. Link to post Share on other sites
Blackweell! Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 How very interesting... I've got a pair of his goggles and swear by them, one of the best-buys of my year. If he's doing the customs paint jobs to normal buyers then I'd seriously consider one of these! Link to post Share on other sites
heroshark Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Good theory but I disagree, especially with the ACM guns coming out shooting 450 FPS the chances are greater of having an incident with woven masks, however stamped steel wouldn't likely have the same issue. All depends on the woven mesh in quesion. Theres 3 things you have to take into account with a woven mesh, and I certainly wouldn't dissmiss it all together .Theres the wires guage, the spacing of the wires, and how the wires have been binded. Link to post Share on other sites
SpecialistR Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 My contribution was made before you posted your opinion sir. We get it,you like the wire mesh masks but this isnt the wire mesh mask thread now is it? This is the thread for the new Bitter End half face mask so lets keep to that. If you have any further discussion on that subject you are more than welcome to send me a private message and I will happily oblige. Link to post Share on other sites
heroshark Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 My contribution was made before you posted your opinion sir. We get it,you like the wire mesh masks but this isnt the wire mesh mask thread now is it? This is the thread for the new Bitter End half face mask so lets keep to that. If you have any further discussion on that subject you are more than welcome to send me a private message and I will happily oblige. If thats aimed at me, I don't realy like either. As for the disscussion of rival products ,its always gonna happen. A new product is undoubtedly going to be compaired to already existing similar products. This thread is for the discussion of the said product, and thats what is happening .All be it in a round about way. So on topic ,how much will the mask cost posted to the UK? Link to post Share on other sites
LeLionNoire Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Tempting indeed. Not sure if I want this or the "bat" russian mask, since I'm terrified of getting a BB straight down the ear. I wonder how harsh these and the russian masks are on wood stocks? I would imagine that eventually it'll be like sandpaper and destroy the finish. wear copy comtacs! their not bad..just need a little tlc after each game Link to post Share on other sites
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